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Kennebec
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Whether Verizon or Fairpoint is better is not my point, I'm sorry you failed to grasp that. I speak to free market and deregulation only, you have clearly stated your vendetta, mine is against socialism and big brother trampling on property rights. You want me to say which company is better? It is not a relevant question for me, if one is better it will prevail in a free market, if it is bad it will find itself in default and ruin and then another will arise from the ashes, this is the price we pay to live in a capitalist society. Will people be without telephone service because one of them fails? How could that be, unless we are subsidizing telephone service to those that can't afford it....

Have fun with THAT statement.

I also note that Nascar88 doesn't have a response for the mis-truth they expressed here nor a comment on what the heck they meant about an edit (what a non-sequiter and great way to exit a debate without explanation)....

((only edit was to add the very last paranthetical comment))


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Post Wed 28 Nov, 2007 7:22 pm 
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Publius
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quote:
Originally posted by Kennebec:


And no denial of the name calling posts that you denied earlier? Interesting debate technique Smile


Let me chime in on the debate technique thing. Why is it that you refuse to answer any of my questions, but instead pull up my profile? or defer my well thought out questions to, "I've already answered those"?

I've always seen a debate as a discussion between two informed people (or at least opinionated ones) Yet you offer nothing other than a weak comparison between a cancer hospital and Fairpoint. The only thing that matches is that Fairpoint would be a cancer to all three New England states, yet for some reason you don't see that...
I find that type of reasoning disconcerting. All that I ask is that you debate the issue with using known facts instead of suppositions.
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Post Wed 28 Nov, 2007 7:27 pm 
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Kennebec
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Did you read my post above that expressed my opinion on free market? I answered your question, it doesn't matter which company is better.

And my point about the Cancer Center is that the Commissioner over rode the staff opinion, sorry you can't see that point and realize that I continue to hope for another instance.

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And I might ask, why is it that you defend Nascar88's name calling, can't the person beind the log in defend themself?

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And I might ask, why is it that you defend Nascar88's name calling, can't the person beind the log in defend themself?

When did I defend nascars name calling?
Although I find it funny that it bothers you so much... why does his name calling hit home with you?

And again, you divert the issue from the debate to your spat with nascar....

facts please.
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Post Wed 28 Nov, 2007 10:39 pm 
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Still no reply to this answer to your question:


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And my point about the Cancer Center is that the Commissioner over rode the staff opinion, sorry you can't see that point and realize that I continue to hope for another instance.

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Still no reply to this answer to your question:


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And my point about the Cancer Center is that the Commissioner over rode the staff opinion, sorry you can't see that point and realize that I continue to hope for another instance.



What is there to reply to?

This is not just staff opinion. This is the opinion of Staff, OCA, independent economists, The senate presidents and congressional leaders, the general public, Wall street, and of course, me.

And then there are people like you on Fairpoint's side...

I have to win.
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Post Sun 02 Dec, 2007 8:18 pm 
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An unrational rant like that makes my point.


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I have to win
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You should be careful Publius, someone might mistake you for Nascar88 with a remark like that.

Actually you are mistaken completely. I am on Verizon's side, if you fail to see that you haven't read any of my posts.

Post Sun 02 Dec, 2007 8:23 pm 
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You should be careful Publius, someone might mistake you for Nascar88 with a remark like that.

Actually you are mistaken completely. I am on Verizon's side, if you fail to see that you haven't read any of my posts.


Fishguy,
I can see how you get me confused with nascar, I think I get as frustrated with you as he does. You really need to get off the "nascar-and-Publius-are-the-same" thing. I can't stand freakin' nascar (the "sport")

How the hell is a sane person supposed to believe that you are on Verizons side when one of your last posts is "I hope the commissioners overrides Staff opinion..."

I've tried to read through many of your posts and I've gotten through many of them, but you jump all over the place, and only seem to take pride in saying the opposite of what Nascar (or really smart people like myself) say.

You call what I write, "rants", but they are simply the truth wrapped into my words.

Okay, so heres the moment for you to put up or shut up. Answer these questions in yes or no format. I'll make the questions nice and short so you can understand them.

1. Who would you rather have as your phone and internet provider? Verizon or Fairpoint?

2. Do you think that the staff recommendation to not accept the sale is in the best interest of the consumer?

3. Am I the smartest person you ever met in your lifetime, or just this year?
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1) It doesn't matter, I want the company that wants my business as they will be more consumer friendly.

2) No, see my answer to #1

3) Neither. The smartest person I've ever met in my lifetime and this year was the doctor that kept my father alive through a terrible diagnosis.

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quote:
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1) It doesn't matter, I want the company that wants my business as they will be more consumer friendly.

2) No, see my answer to #1

3) Neither. The smartest person I've ever met in my lifetime and this year was the doctor that kept my father alive through a terrible diagnosis.


You know that you make this too easy for me right?


1-First you say you're pulling for Verizon, then you say it doesn't matter. Which again proves you don't know what you're talking about.

2-See every post I've ever wrote

3-was that diagnosis called Head-up-your-ass syndrome?

Kennebec, it's obvious right now that you're that kid that knows he wrong, but you're going to argue anyway. I'm expecting you to start doing the bugs bunny routine on me of "no-I'm-not, yes-I-am, no-I'm-not".....
Just admit you're wrong.
I'll accept your apology in advance.
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Post Mon 03 Dec, 2007 7:07 am 
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quote:
"A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
Frederick Douglass

Post Mon 03 Dec, 2007 11:17 am 
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quote:
Originally posted by Kennebec:

quote:
"A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
Frederick Douglass


Look, I can play the quote game too!!

A little learning, indeed, may be a dangerous thing, but the want of learning is a calamity to any people.
Frederick Douglass

Fishhead,
Ok, now that you put the quote stand up for something, would ya!

I insult you because you jump all over the place with your opinion, yet you say you don't. You're what I call an easy mark. Like your fish brethren, you take the bait and swallow it whole.

This whole thing is pretty easy, stand up for what you believe in and stay in that position. If you feel you have to change your opinion that's okay, but at least admit it.

Don't fall back on civil war era quotes about what gentlemen do, because in my my world you stand up for what you believe in and you don't backpedal or avoid the issue.

Please, I'm begging you, for the sake of all of us, State your belief and EXACTLY where you stand. Stop using generalizations and half truths to support whatever it is you mean today. Grow a set and stand fast man!!!

You pepper your comments mostly to nascar, and recently to myself in over a hundred posts, yet all you do is try to dance around the facts, and you really haven't taken a position other than to disagree what either of us might say. You try to stand on some type of moral high ground pointing out that we may insult you and not be too civil, yet in doing that you avoid the issue. You are among the worst debaters I've ever known.

Facts.. stick with the known facts and present something worth replying to.
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Post Mon 03 Dec, 2007 12:24 pm 
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My position, despite the way you try to twist it, is that Verizon wants to sell, the free market should allow that sale. Regulation only adds cost to the consumer. Find me any quote where I have said otherwise please.

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