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Men Should Not Be Forced to Pay Child Support...
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Vizzini
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Do you not find any truth in the rebuttals I made to the arguments you posted? It would just be interesting to know what you found incorrect about them because I really do enjoy trying to understand other perspectives. If not, enjoy your day.
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Post Thu 14 Jun, 2007 11:01 am 
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I think I'll just enjoy my day.
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Post Thu 14 Jun, 2007 11:14 am 
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Good, and I'll be free to speculate about the wonderfully reasonable and persuasive arguments that I'm sure you're depriving me of (!!).
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Post Thu 14 Jun, 2007 11:46 am 
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Vizzini is trying to get out of paying child support. Laughing
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It's ok. 90% of everyone I explain this to says the same thing (at first). Most of them end up agreeing with me.

Welcome to the forum.

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The other 10% can't read or write. Wink
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Vizzini is trying to get out of paying child support. Laughing


No, all my kids live with me.

I just don't think Males should be forced to pay for the unilateral choices of Females under threat of jail.

Can't read or write, wow, thats some really brillant debate TW. Good stuff.
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What debate? The one where I showed you why men have to pay? Wink
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Post Fri 15 Jun, 2007 4:24 pm 
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I'm aware of the typical (flawed) logic used to justify holding one adult equally responsible for the unilateral choice of another adult, and the judicial arguments that you provided were a good summary of that (flawed) logic.

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While it is true that after conception a woman has more control than a man over the decision whether to bear a child, and may unilaterally refuse to obtain an abortion, those facts were known to the father at the time of conception.
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The gunmaker knows perfectly well when they make and sell the gun that any subsequent owner of that gun will have more control over what is done with it then they do (total control). Therefore the gunmaker is equally responsible for how that gun is used by the gun owner. How can anyone not laugh at such an absurd argument?


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The choice available to a woman vests in her by the fact that she, and not the man, must carry the child and must undergo whatever traumas, physical and mental, may be attendant to either childbirth or abortion. Any differing treatment accorded men and women ... is owed not to the operation of [state law] but to the operation of nature.
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If abortion on demand is legal it should certainly be her unilateral choice, but in that case it should also be her unilateral responsibility.

The reason that she has the choice and not the Man is irrelevent. If she has the unilateral choice (for whatever reason), it is idiotic to hold someone else equally responsible for that unilateral choice.

The judge is also implying in this passage that the Women's unilateral choice is difficult, and therefore it is necessary to hold someone else equally responsible for the result of her choice...


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I haven't figured how gun makers play into this yet but it might be the man was the one who loaded the gun.
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Kind of like, if you load a gun and hand it to me and I shoot you in the head, you're equally responsible for your own murder?

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Re: Men Should Not Be Forced to Pay Child Support...

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I know I'm new but this has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read


But see, it's not his argument. It's anothers argument. Which means he doesn't agree with the argument he's proposed. Confused yet? I'm beginning to think this is the point.

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As far as guns, well, I'm certainly in the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" camp, but gun manufacturers (and other weapons manufacturers) make a profit off of items that are designed only for the sole purpose of killing. So while, no they can't be held responsible or accountable for what people do with their products, one certainly has to think about how moral it is to mass produce weapons that are only good for killing other human beings.

Like the bartender that serves drink after drink to a drunk, they aren't the cause of the problem, but they are enablers.
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I say the gun should be used to escort the man and woman to the JP to get married and do it right.

The gunmaker knows perfectly well when they make and sell the gun that any subsequent owner of that gun will have more control over what is done with it then they do (total control). Therefore the gunmaker is equally responsible for how that gun is used by the gun owner. How can anyone not laugh at such an absurd argument?

The gun maker doesn't have the DNA to prove that he or she made the gun, therefore it off base in this discussion.

There are many of us that do not use our guns for killing. Many of us collect guns, display them on the wall.. Of course, we must lock them on the wall with the new gun laws. I would have to say that my guns are locked up tight, being that one would have to pull out a 12" thick cement wall to get them.

In fact...not fiction, there is no man, woman, or child that can or should be allowed to determine if someone should live or die.

But then again, the aborted ones do bring in a good profit for those that do not have a conscience.

But then again, the aborted have not been aborted for naught.

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The gun maker doesn't have the DNA to prove that he or she made the gun, therefore it off base in this discussion.


In most cases it's very easy to demonstrate who made the gun.
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In most cases it's very easy to demonstrate who made the gun.

Well, that figures doesn't it? We are probably one of those numbers in the serial #. Oh well... and, life goes on...and on...and on...

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If you find the topic boring please feel free not to address it. Razz
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Hmm Vizzini,

You said, "Vizzini:


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If you find the topic boring please feel free not to address it."


Did you take my statement: "Vizzini:

[quote]"Well, that figures doesn't it? We are probably one of those numbers in the serial #. Oh well... and, life goes on...and on...and on... "[/quote] to mean that I am bored with the subject? Nope, I've been enjoying this subject very very much. Sometimes, and frequently lately, I have been finding life here at home on the boring side. Alway arguing or trying to put up with my youngest daughters attitude, etc. Therefore, life goes on...and on...and on.. I think I'm ready for a vacation away.
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