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Hi all! I live in Portland. There is a very important HOT topic that I need to talk to people about! I am a member of a organization called So Hopeful International! We are a group of people who are trying to reform Megan's law so it works the way it was intended to work! I my self feel that something needs to be done about sex offender but the way people are trying to go about it are all the wrong ways! If you make tougher sex offender laws then it just hurt kids more then it will help them! Most all cases of sexual abuse happen with in a family system by some one the child knows and respects! all ready a large number of cases go unreported because the child doesn't want to hurt the loved one! So if you increase the laws even more then you will have less children reporting the crimes so the abusers will not be treated so there will be more victims and the children them selfs won't get the help they need so they will be untreated as well! Also where most cases of sexual abuse happen with in the family in most cases the people you should be worried about aren't even on the registery. Tougher laws and the registery will just give people a false since of protection! I feel that parents should know the signs of sexual abuse, educate their children about right and wrong touching, and be on the look out. But to think that every person who has ever been convicted of a sexual crime is a danger is totally false! The reoffense rate of sexual offenders is between 4% and 20%! Rates are diffrent depending on the crime and treatment. Believe it or not thats lower then any other class of crime. I and many others believe that the laws in place now if done the right way are already able to work! The registery was designed to be used for the people at the highest risk of reoffense so that the community will know they are in the area. However it has been turned into what it is now. We have reports of states losing track of a large number of offenders, however if the law was doing what it should have then chances are that wouldn't be the case now! Its pretty bad when people on a camping trip can be charged with a sexual crime for just going to the bathroom out of sight from people! Not only would they be charged but if convicted they would have to register! Now would you say that that person is a danger to any one? I myself wouldn't but according to the law they would have to register! If they would stop focusing so much time and money on the people who are low risk and just worried about those at high risk like the registery was intended to do then we would have the time and money to spend on those people who chances are would reoffend! Every one makes mistakes some bigger then others but to cast them out, jail them, or put them to death isn't the answer. I was raped by my best friend I know the pain that being abused causes on another person. My father is a sex offender, So I also know what sex offenders go through. However my father hasn't done anything against the law in over 20 years, he has tryed to lead as normal of a life as he could. I just ask you all to look at both sides of the picture before deciding how you feel about the subject. most sex offenders just want to move on with their life and chances are they will never reoffend so why not let those people live a normal life and help us protect our children from those who really are of a danger! If you would like any of the facts I used please contact me at deadmanheat@yahoo.com or you can find all of the facts along with a link to where the report can be found at our site at www.sohopeful.org or if you would like to help us then you can join our forum at www.sohopeful.org/forum ! Thanks for your time reading this!

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The law makers make the laws and expect police or other and similar agencies to enforce the laws. Well, it doesn't work that way for long. Yes, when first implemented the law appears to work then apathy sets in.

My solution to all laws is to have a private contractor who bids on jobs to see that the laws made do get enforced.

However, as long as we have government watching government nothing gets done or is it long lasting. We must privatize many areas of government and do it soon.

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[quote="everyonehasrights"]I just ask you all to look at both sides of the picture before deciding how you feel about the subject. most sex offenders just want to move on with their life and chances are they will never reoffend so why not let those people live a normal life and help us protect our children from those who really are of a danger! quote]

This sounds reasonabel to me.

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Molesters Often Strike Again
Saturday, April 16, 2005
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans



Jessica Lunsford and Jetseta Gage two young girls recently kidnapped, molested and killed, allegedly by men who authorities said are convicted, registered sex offenders who had served time and were back in the community.

Criminologists say it’s all too frequent that the perpetrator is a pathological sexual predator, as in the case of Jessica’s alleged killer in Florida, John Evander Couey and Roger Paul Bentley who Iowa police say murdered Jetseta.

“It happens all the time,” said Louis B. Schlesinger, a forensic psychologist specializing in criminal behavior and sex crimes at John J. College of Criminal Justice in New York. “The dangerous ones have a high recidivism rate.”

According to data from the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (there are 381,967 entries for sex offenders in the NCIC Sex Offender Registration File — though not all states require sex offenders to be registered in the same way and some offenders are entered into the database for more than one state.

The Jessica Lunsford case so outraged her Florida community that a state representative, Charles Dean, said he’s introducing a bill called the "Jessica Lunsford Act" that would, among other things, require convicted sex offenders to wear electronic tracking devices.


“It’s a matter of us doing the job right. We need to find the loopholes, find the cracks,” Dean told FOX News.

The reason many convicted sex offenders go out and molest more children, say sociologists and criminologists, is similar to why alcoholics continue to drink.

“Their sexual preference is for children. They have a compulsion to molest children,” said Keith F. Durkin, a criminologist at Ohio Northern University and an expert in the study of pedophilia. “Many, if not all, will molest children until the day they die. They’re dangerous and they’re going to reoffend.”

But there aren’t accurate numbers about the rate of recidivism among child molesters, since many of their repeat offenses go unreported.

not only are they almost certain to continue sexually abusing children, but some eventually kill their young victims — more often than not for the purpose of keeping them quiet.

“Usually it’s to cover up the crime so the victim won’t say who he is,” Schlesinger said
Nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford was snatched from her bedroom last month by a drug-addled Couey, police said. Couey was staying with relatives in a trailer just across from where Jessica lived with her father and grandparents in Citrus County Fla After holding her for a few days and sexually assaulting her, police said Couey, 46, killed the little girl and buried her body only a few hundred yards from her house. The coroner ruled that Jessica died by asphyxiation.

Bentley, 37, is accused of abducting 10-year-old Jetseta from her home in Cedar Rapids Iowa last week and killing her. Her cause of death also was found to be asphyxiation, and authorities said there was evidence the mentally challenged girl had been molested. Bentley’s brother James Bentley, whom Jetseta’s mother dated five years ago, also allegedly sexually abused Jetseta and is in jail awaiting trial on those charges.

It’s unlikely that there’s any sort of chain reaction element to such sexual crimes against children, according to experts.

“The copycat value and the deterrent of being caught have minimal impact,” said Jeffrey Ian Ross, a criminologist at the University of Baltimore “It’s not a crime in which reason prevails.”

But a number of sex offenders do know they can’t be trusted around kids. Couey reportedly was so aware of his problem that he’d pleaded for help in the past, saying he was a danger to children because he couldn’t stop himself from sexually abusing them. That compulsion is what makes it next to impossible to “cure” chronic child molesters.

[b]“They’re basically untreatable,” Schlesinger said. “They’re predatory, compulsive, repetitive offenders. These are very dangerous people, aroused by children. That’s part of their sexuality. It’s very, very difficult to change that.”


In spite of that reality, many still are only serving fractions of their sentences — which often are light to begin with.

“The bottom line is that almost all these offenders will get out because they don’t have any laws barring them from getting out,” Schlesinger said. “They’re allowed back in the community because the court system is following the law.”

That’s why parents and others in the community frequently are helpless to bring about any real change to prevent children from falling prey to molesters living in the area.

“The public is getting increasingly upset when this happens,” Ross said, “but they feel their hands are tied.” People can take action by writing letters to local newspapers and Congress, he said.

Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said the existing legislation is a good start but needs to be beefed up — especially since authorities usually must rely on the offenders themselves to notify them of who and where they are.

Megan’s Law requires all 50 states to register sex offenders but leaves the details up to the individual states. The burden generally is on the offenders to register themselves and alert officials when they move. The sex offender registries are available online and provide basic information about and photographs of those in the database.

“States should be more active in notification,” Allen told FOX News. “We think the Web sites are great, but that’s not enough. Megan’s Law ought to be strengthened in every state.”

In the meantime, he said, parents need to take advantage of the resources already available to them and talk with their children so they know where they are and who they’re with.

“Every parent needs to go to these Web sites and find out who the registered sex offenders are in their community,” Allen told FOX.

Ross believes cases such as Jessica’s and Jetseta’s could have an impact on legislation if there’s enough public reaction to elicit federal, rather than state, sponsorship of a tougher law.

He predicted that at the very least, the conditions for releasing and paroling jailed sex offenders will tighten as a result of the murders of Jessica, Jetseta and other children in similar situations.

“There may well be a strong enough backlash,” Ross said. “These kinds of cases have enormous repercussions. They tug at the heartstrings of most Americans who have children.”

But others are more skeptical that any real progress will be made in controlling the problem of convicted sex offenders committing more crimes against children.

“There will be a call for increased monitoring that will then fall by the wayside,” said university criminologist Durkin, who believes convicted child molesters should be placed in special communities just for them. “But we have to take a close look at these repetitive sex offenders as a country. When we’re putting them in the community, we’re putting children at risk.”

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Originally posted by whynot:
Molesters Often Strike Again
Saturday, April 16, 2005
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans



Jessica Lunsford and Jetseta Gage two young girls recently kidnapped, molested and killed, allegedly by men who authorities said are convicted, registered sex offenders who had served time and were back in the community.

Criminologists say it’s all too frequent that the perpetrator is a pathological sexual predator, as in the case of Jessica’s alleged killer in Florida, John Evander Couey and Roger Paul Bentley who Iowa police say murdered Jetseta.

“It happens all the time,” said Louis B. Schlesinger, a forensic psychologist specializing in criminal behavior and sex crimes at John J. College of Criminal Justice in New York. “The dangerous ones have a high recidivism rate.”

According to data from the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (there are 381,967 entries for sex offenders in the NCIC Sex Offender Registration File — though not all states require sex offenders to be registered in the same way and some offenders are entered into the database for more than one state.

The Jessica Lunsford case so outraged her Florida community that a state representative, Charles Dean, said he’s introducing a bill called the "Jessica Lunsford Act" that would, among other things, require convicted sex offenders to wear electronic tracking devices.


“It’s a matter of us doing the job right. We need to find the loopholes, find the cracks,” Dean told FOX News.

The reason many convicted sex offenders go out and molest more children, say sociologists and criminologists, is similar to why alcoholics continue to drink.

“Their sexual preference is for children. They have a compulsion to molest children,” said Keith F. Durkin, a criminologist at Ohio Northern University and an expert in the study of pedophilia. “Many, if not all, will molest children until the day they die. They’re dangerous and they’re going to reoffend.”

But there aren’t accurate numbers about the rate of recidivism among child molesters, since many of their repeat offenses go unreported.

not only are they almost certain to continue sexually abusing children, but some eventually kill their young victims — more often than not for the purpose of keeping them quiet.

“Usually it’s to cover up the crime so the victim won’t say who he is,” Schlesinger said
Nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford was snatched from her bedroom last month by a drug-addled Couey, police said. Couey was staying with relatives in a trailer just across from where Jessica lived with her father and grandparents in Citrus County Fla After holding her for a few days and sexually assaulting her, police said Couey, 46, killed the little girl and buried her body only a few hundred yards from her house. The coroner ruled that Jessica died by asphyxiation.

Bentley, 37, is accused of abducting 10-year-old Jetseta from her home in Cedar Rapids Iowa last week and killing her. Her cause of death also was found to be asphyxiation, and authorities said there was evidence the mentally challenged girl had been molested. Bentley’s brother James Bentley, whom Jetseta’s mother dated five years ago, also allegedly sexually abused Jetseta and is in jail awaiting trial on those charges.

It’s unlikely that there’s any sort of chain reaction element to such sexual crimes against children, according to experts.

“The copycat value and the deterrent of being caught have minimal impact,” said Jeffrey Ian Ross, a criminologist at the University of Baltimore “It’s not a crime in which reason prevails.”

But a number of sex offenders do know they can’t be trusted around kids. Couey reportedly was so aware of his problem that he’d pleaded for help in the past, saying he was a danger to children because he couldn’t stop himself from sexually abusing them. That compulsion is what makes it next to impossible to “cure” chronic child molesters.

[b]“They’re basically untreatable,” Schlesinger said. “They’re predatory, compulsive, repetitive offenders. These are very dangerous people, aroused by children. That’s part of their sexuality. It’s very, very difficult to change that.”


In spite of that reality, many still are only serving fractions of their sentences — which often are light to begin with.

“The bottom line is that almost all these offenders will get out because they don’t have any laws barring them from getting out,” Schlesinger said. “They’re allowed back in the community because the court system is following the law.”

That’s why parents and others in the community frequently are helpless to bring about any real change to prevent children from falling prey to molesters living in the area.

“The public is getting increasingly upset when this happens,” Ross said, “but they feel their hands are tied.” People can take action by writing letters to local newspapers and Congress, he said.

Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said the existing legislation is a good start but needs to be beefed up — especially since authorities usually must rely on the offenders themselves to notify them of who and where they are.

Megan’s Law requires all 50 states to register sex offenders but leaves the details up to the individual states. The burden generally is on the offenders to register themselves and alert officials when they move. The sex offender registries are available online and provide basic information about and photographs of those in the database.

“States should be more active in notification,” Allen told FOX News. “We think the Web sites are great, but that’s not enough. Megan’s Law ought to be strengthened in every state.”

In the meantime, he said, parents need to take advantage of the resources already available to them and talk with their children so they know where they are and who they’re with.

“Every parent needs to go to these Web sites and find out who the registered sex offenders are in their community,” Allen told FOX.

Ross believes cases such as Jessica’s and Jetseta’s could have an impact on legislation if there’s enough public reaction to elicit federal, rather than state, sponsorship of a tougher law.

He predicted that at the very least, the conditions for releasing and paroling jailed sex offenders will tighten as a result of the murders of Jessica, Jetseta and other children in similar situations.

“There may well be a strong enough backlash,” Ross said. “These kinds of cases have enormous repercussions. They tug at the heartstrings of most Americans who have children.”

But others are more skeptical that any real progress will be made in controlling the problem of convicted sex offenders committing more crimes against children.

“There will be a call for increased monitoring that will then fall by the wayside,” said university criminologist Durkin, who believes convicted child molesters should be placed in special communities just for them. “But we have to take a close look at these repetitive sex offenders as a country. When we’re putting them in the community, we’re putting children at risk.”




I know there are many people who believe that sex offenders WILL reoffend but that myth is totally unfounded! Many studies have been done by the justice department that show that with treatment sex offenders have a very low reoffense rate! however those small amount who do reoffend chances are will continue to reoffend! For most people who do sexualy offend theres an emotional reason behind it and with counciling and a relapse prevention plan they can go on and lead a normal life! Sexual ofending is not like a cold where there is a "cure" its a life long commentment to not reoffend they have to watch out for signs that they maybe getting back into their offense cycle and keep them selfs out of high risk situations where they could reoffend!

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You need not reprint the entire post there everyone...but thanks anyways....
I kept an open mind and read your forum and some of the people(not all) are the biggest whinny crybabies or co-dependants that ever crawl on the planet. Iam talking about freakos that molest children and say it was just a little whoops and poor me my life is ruined, Your wrong about child molesters they repeat until they are stopped. Too bad i see no pity for the child victims on your bleeding heart forum. I felt slimy just reading some of the stories.

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yeah ok until they get treatment they will keep offending but with treatment most will not reoffend! My father became a sex offender well over 20 years ago he served his time and he hasn't done anything against the law since then!

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That he has been caught at or that you know of. Most child molesters have molested hundreds of times before they are caught. If your Father had treatment and has not reoffended..good for him but I still wouldn't want him playing with my kids. I think you mean he was sentenced and convicted 20 years ago.

Treatment doesn't work on most of them. Sure give them treatment,keep an eye on them,life ankle monitoring ,longer sentences and life in prison for repeat offenders. Iam getting sick of picking up a paper and finding more dead children,victims of sex offenders.

What kind of slimebags does that to Children? What kind of person defends them?

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yeah ok until they get treatment they will keep offending but with treatment most will not reoffend! My father became a sex offender well over 20 years ago he served his time and he hasn't done anything against the law since then!


So what do you want for him a nobel peace prize?

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Why? Why not?

[quote="Fudgy Anus
This sounds reasonabel to me.[/quote]

when i first became a maember of this forum i tried to registster with the name Bowels On Fire that name was rejected so i became Chortle now im reading old posts and find sombody with the name Fudgy Anus was approved. WTF?

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